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There is wind where the rose was,
Cold rain where sweet grass was,
And clouds like sheep
Stream o'er the steep
Grey skies where the lark was.

Nought warm where your hand was,
Nought gold where your hair was,
But phantom, forlorn,
Beneath the thorn,
Your ghost where your face was.

Cold wind where your voice was,
Tears, tears where my heart was,
And ever with me,
Child, ever with me,
Silence where hope was.

November by Walter de la Mare
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How to get a good job for the first time ?

To have a good job you must have experience , however without working you will never get expercience , so what do you think about this ?


  • mheredgemheredge Teacher Here and therePosts: 28,110 mod
    This is what we call a vicious circle @JMAROUF. Or it is a chicken and egg situation.
  • JMAROUFJMAROUF Posts: 56 ✭✭
    of course , in this case the person must use his social engineering to get a job , the social relations are very important in this situation
  • mheredgemheredge Teacher Here and therePosts: 28,110 mod
    That depends on where you are @JMAROUF. In some countries it's not so much what you know as who you know. In other places then it's more about how well you can present yourself and so social skills are more important.
  • JMAROUFJMAROUF Posts: 56 ✭✭
    edited October 22
    So in your vision that depends of the country , @mheredge
  • JMAROUFJMAROUF Posts: 56 ✭✭
    [quote="JMAROUF;c-229316"]So in your vision that depends of the country , @mheredge
  • mheredgemheredge Teacher Here and therePosts: 28,110 mod
    It's all relative @JMAROUF. In some places meritocracy is more prevalent, whilst in others it's all about old school boys' networks or even corruption and paying your way to get the job you want.
  • JMAROUFJMAROUF Posts: 56 ✭✭
    for your point of view , if we are in a country wich doesn't respect meritocracy what we must do ? ( we can't give corruption or paying to get the job )
  • SchaeferSchaefer Posts: 5
    maybe developing/conceiving good ideas and getting self-employed...but to be honest: this is kind of unlikely...but never give up dreams
  • JMAROUFJMAROUF Posts: 56 ✭✭
    yes that is right
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