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How to get a good job for the first time ?

JMAROUFJMAROUF Posts: 64 ✭✭
To have a good job you must have experience , however without working you will never get expercience , so what do you think about this ?
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  • mheredgemheredge Teacher Here and therePosts: 31,540 mod
    This is what we call a vicious circle @JMAROUF. Or it is a chicken and egg situation.
  • JMAROUFJMAROUF Posts: 64 ✭✭
    of course , in this case the person must use his social engineering to get a job , the social relations are very important in this situation
  • mheredgemheredge Teacher Here and therePosts: 31,540 mod
    That depends on where you are @JMAROUF. In some countries it's not so much what you know as who you know. In other places then it's more about how well you can present yourself and so social skills are more important.
  • JMAROUFJMAROUF Posts: 64 ✭✭
    edited October 2017
    So in your vision that depends of the country , @mheredge
  • JMAROUFJMAROUF Posts: 64 ✭✭
    [quote="JMAROUF;c-229316"]So in your vision that depends of the country , @mheredge
  • mheredgemheredge Teacher Here and therePosts: 31,540 mod
    It's all relative @JMAROUF. In some places meritocracy is more prevalent, whilst in others it's all about old school boys' networks or even corruption and paying your way to get the job you want.
  • JMAROUFJMAROUF Posts: 64 ✭✭
    for your point of view , if we are in a country wich doesn't respect meritocracy what we must do ? ( we can't give corruption or paying to get the job )
  • SchaeferSchaefer Posts: 5
    maybe developing/conceiving good ideas and getting self-employed...but to be honest: this is kind of unlikely...but never give up dreams
  • JMAROUFJMAROUF Posts: 64 ✭✭
    yes that is right
  • walterwalter Posts: 205 ✭✭
    Finding good first job in my country is very tough actually. Almost all employers seek to have a experience at job and that we have good skills on computer and of course excelent english. However, the most important thing in my country which employers seek it is work experience. But how to have work experience on that field if you just finished school. For this some employers offers in the adverstiment volentery work, and after that maybe you will be choosen to stay on that jobs. My advise if are perspecitiv and serious company which you offered that opportunaty, always you should to accepts that offer.
  • mheredgemheredge Teacher Here and therePosts: 31,540 mod
    I think offering volunteer work like this is a real scam and is exploiting young people. It is a way to get labour for free @walter. Apparently the UN is guilty of doing this! I was horrified at learning this. What an example to set!
  • walterwalter Posts: 205 ✭✭
    edited March 23
    @mheredge I also think that is exploiting yong people which don`t have work experience. The all system is bad and guilt. For example solution to get experience work is that in university or secondary school you have except task for learn, you also have a experience work that means practical teaching. In school we learening a many thing which don`t need in the future. We also learning from very old books. Work on computer which is now necessary it is very low represented in school. This things employers knows, and misuse.
  • mheredgemheredge Teacher Here and therePosts: 31,540 mod
    edited March 23
    @walter I know a very good employer who has recently had to recruit more staff and has taken on youngsters who he has partnered with his older, more experienced staff so they can learn from each other. The youngsters are much more with it when it comes to new technology, and have been able to help their older colleagues who in turn have helped their young colleagues learn the ropes of the travel industry.
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