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"The April rain, the April rain,
Comes slanting down in fitful showers,
Then from the furrow shoots the grain,
And banks are fledged with nestling flowers;
And in grey shawl and woodland bowers
The cuckoo through the April rain
Calls once again."

Mathilde Blind, April Rain
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What is essential topic that you feel It is express your Identity :country,job,certificate,hobbies..

I mean the first thing that you are define your self , somebody said my main identity is my job.. I am a doctor ,,other one sees the country is first I am American other sees,,the hobbies I am poet,,,etc
could you explain why did you chose that?
thank you

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  • mheredgemheredge Wordsmith Here and therePosts: 24,849 mod
    I think this is a very interesting question @Hayden. What defines a person? I like playing around with this question when people ask me. Depending on the person, I give different answers! I hate being pigeon-holed.
  • HaydenHayden Posts: 49 ✭✭
    @mheredge Thank you for a compliment... but I mean the major identity that is express your real identity closest to your self .
  • nelnel Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭✭
    I prefer to say ma name Hayden. It's enough.
  • BubblyBubbly Nightingale Posts: 29,874 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    My spirit/soul that differs me from others. Rest is temporary for me. :)
  • mheredgemheredge Wordsmith Here and therePosts: 24,849 mod
    Ah but @Hayden, what I say and what I am are not necessarily the same, are they?
  • HaydenHayden Posts: 49 ✭✭
    @nel from my vision I guess the name has not expressed our identity ,,it is just verifying us but not showing what is our main property ,,,I respect your opinion :)
  • HaydenHayden Posts: 49 ✭✭
    @mheredge why ? I guess should be same if the other respect our privacy.
  • nelnel Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭✭
    It's a hard question Hayden. ;)
  • gllgll Posts: 91 ✭✭
    Depends on people and their own character, job, hobbies, culture, priority. ıf ı talk about myself, ı didn't share my real name, age, religion, priority etc. And without those information, people can just look at my answers like hobbies and contry informotion but it is not enough to define someone and you can never be sure that is honest answer or not. So, ı don't think defining someone is possible here.
  • HaydenHayden Posts: 49 ✭✭
    @nel I will give you zero score for that question ;)
  • nelnel Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭✭
    Hayden your question is really hard and I don't know what's my identity.
    You can give me a negative score but I'm innocent. :)
  • nelnel Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭✭
    I agree with you @gll . Our country, religion, hobbies aren't our identity. We have our own identity without them.All of us are human beings and it's our identity I think.
  • gllgll Posts: 91 ✭✭
    @nel ı agree. by the way nice to meet you nel :)
  • nelnel Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭✭
    @gll :) .
  • mheredgemheredge Wordsmith Here and therePosts: 24,849 mod
    We are all influenced by the society we grew up in, our family, friends and religion, but I agree with @nel, it doesn't mean that this is our identity. Our identity is more than this I think and comes from within.
  • BubblyBubbly Nightingale Posts: 29,874 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    @mheredge it is outer self vs. inner self. :)
  • nelnel Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭✭
    Exactly @mheredge.
  • PaladinoPaladino Posts: 79 ✭✭
    That is a phylosophical question. We can find some thoughts about that in existencialists philosophers. According to them, "each individual—not society or religion—is solely responsible for giving meaning to life and living it passionately and sincerely authentically" Wikipedia.

    When we are defined as something, we lose ourselves and become unaware and we play roles like in a theatre. Instead of being oneself, most people define themselves as the profession they have, the place they come from etc. If they become unnemployed, emigrate etc, they feel depressed because they lose their restricted identities.

    According to existentialism, human being are condemned to freedom. It causes anguish. Men have choices. Even if they do not choose, he is choosing not to choose. In that sense, we are not what we are doing or what we are at this moment, but we are what we choose to be. It is not permanent. We are free to become another thing that will not define us as well.
  • HaydenHayden Posts: 49 ✭✭
    dear paladino ,, could you clarifying the line" human being are condemned to freedom " ?honestly I didn't understand how human condemned to freedom !
  • mheredgemheredge Wordsmith Here and therePosts: 24,849 mod
    I don't like being put in a pigeonhole @Paladino. It's often a loaded question when someone asks you what you do.
  • BubblyBubbly Nightingale Posts: 29,874 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    @Paladino existentialism gives a very profound picture of our life. This is my favorite school of thought as it believes in spirit/soul. I have studied it in details in university and I think they have valid reasons about choices as well as about our inner self(self actualization).
  • BubblyBubbly Nightingale Posts: 29,874 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    @Hayden it's freedom to choose. We have many ways to take decisions in life but we don't explore those ways and stick to few concepts or practices that may be given or suggested by others. So, freewill gives us a chance to explore our core potential and choose best options accordingly.
  • PaladinoPaladino Posts: 79 ✭✭
    @Hayden ,
    I took this phrase from a French philosofer called Sartre. Just to add more information to what @bubbli has properly said above, I will reproduce a fragment about that, extracted from wikipedia:

    Sartre thoughts from wikipedia:

    Sartre's primary idea is that people, as humans, are "condemned to be free". This theory relies upon his position that there is no creator, and is illustrated using the example of the paper cutter. Sartre says that if one considered a paper cutter, one would assume that the creator would have had a plan for it: an essence. Sartre said that human beings have no essence before their existence because there is no Creator. Thus: "existence precedes essence".[51] This forms the basis for his assertion that since one cannot explain one's own actions and behaviour by referencing any specific human nature, they are necessarily fully responsible for those actions. "We are left alone, without excuse." "We can act without being determined by our past which is always separated from us."[52]

    Sartre maintained that the concepts of authenticity and individuality have to be earned but not learned. We need to experience "death consciousness" so as to wake up ourselves as to what is really important; the authentic in our lives which is life experience, not knowledge.[53] Death draws the final point when we as beings cease to live for ourselves and permanently become objects that exist only for the outside world.[54] In this way death emphasizes the burden of our free, individual existence.
  • PaladinoPaladino Posts: 79 ✭✭
    I agree with you, @mheredge . It happens all the time. It is interesting to note the cultural differences about this issue. In Brazil, for instance, when someone appears in the news the put her/his profession on the legend. In Spain, instead, the put your nationality. In Italy, you have your profession in your identity card. It says a lot about each society.
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